This week, I received a comment from a somewhat prominent climate denier (we’ll call him Larry…), which as per my unwritten policy I dealt with off-line. Here’s how it panned out…

Hi All,

         Having researched the climate science for 8 years, I can conclude there is no science that shows the planet will overheat from CO2 emissions. The IPCC has good scientists who submit and review for it like Lindzen, Christie, McKitrick etc  These guys are the top in their fields on climate research and they show the warming from CO2 will be minor (less than one degree C in the next 100 years) – but they are ignored and a scare campaign by the IPCC and greens is employed and many have fallen for the trap. In essence there is no need to find a carbon neutral power source for hundreds of years. The need to convert to Nuclear is only a reaction to the green lobby – its not backed up by real science – If I am wrong just quote me the scientific papers that show CO2 will make the planet 3 to 5 degrees warmer in the next century –  I can give you the list here though – None.

Cheers, Larry

Hi Larry,

 There are plenty of sites around for running that kind of thing, and plenty of newspaper letters pages eat it up, so feel free, it’s a free internet. But the discussions I host on Decarbonise SA is post that type of conspiratorial nonsense, and I moderate it out with pride; it is a waste of the time and energy I put in. I will be discussing the reasons why I have made this decision further in an upcoming post. Feel free to stick around and read about it.

 And no, I will not be providing you with a list. I call that type of request “Queen Bee denial”, and you can read about it on the site.

 Regards, Ben

Hi Ben,

             There is nothing conspirational in my assertions – They are logical and commonsense.

Unfortunately you will find that in coming years you have fallen for a con and you were not smart enough to pick it –

Much like most Germans were not smart enough to see Hitler was a madman or those opposing Galilleo were not able to think logically.

Check out my powerpoint if you like logic. 

All the best in your endeavours

 Larry

GODWINS LAW

Godwin’s law (also known as Godwin’s Rule of Nazi Analogies or Godwin’s Law of Nazi Analogies)[1][2] is a humorous observation made by Mike Godwin in 1990[2] that has become an Internet adage. It states: “As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1 (100%).”[3][2] In other words, Godwin put forth the hyperbolic observation that, given enough time, in any online discussion—regardless of topic or scope—someone inevitably criticizes some point made in the discussion by comparing it to beliefs held by Hitler and the Nazis.

Mike Godwin

There are many corollaries to Godwin’s law, some considered more canonical (by being adopted by Godwin himself)[3] than others.[1] For example, there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever debate was in progress.

Live and learn, Larry. Live and learn.

Have a great weekend!

10 comments

  1. Ben – well handled. It is becoming more an more apparent to me that the logical capacity of climate change deniers is roughly equal to the logical capacity of antinuclear activists. The techniques are frequently similar. In fact, the identities are occasionally the same, even if they use different internet handles.

    That actually does not surprise me since I believe that there has been a recognizable pattern of action against nuclear energy by a competitive industry that also happens to sponsor denial of negative effects of dumping billions of tons per year of CO2 into the atmosphere.

    1. LOL!!! I would tell you not to worry about it, but in a comment taking on the intelligence of others, I have to laugh!!!

      Appreciate your comment by the way. I gave a talk recently called “Dealing with Denialism”, and I was true to the advice I gave others; think hard before engaging because there is likely very little point if you are talking to someone from the inner circle; in engaging point out that it all hinges on conspiracy theory.

      It worked well this time. Larry dug his own grave.

  2. Wow. You would think he’d at least try and relate the post to the topic at hand.

    Nuclear power for a cleaner, better future, whatever else it brings.

    1. Nope. Which makes me reflect on Rod’s comments a little more. According to Larry, climate change is make-believe, and nuclear energy in not required… Larry himself was not from this group, but the slides of his presentation were near identical (though with less attractive formatting) to that of Philip R. Wood, Vice President of the Lavoisier Group, Australia’s home grown arch-denial group.

      It breaks down though because the The Lavoisier Group was founded by Ray Evans, former Chief Executive of Western Mining Corporation, which owned Olympic Dam (uranium) until the take over by BHP. Another prominant Lavoisier supporter, Hugh Morgan, tried to get nuclear power up in Australia in 2006 by forming a company called Australian Nuclear Energy (stayed up all night thinking up that one). Therefore not what I would expect. Weird.

      For those who are wondering, the slides are the standard collection of BS, though they left out the urban heat island effect (or maybe, just maybe, that one is too blatantly silly for even them).

  3. Larry’s assertion there is no need to find a carbon neutral power source for hundreds of years. makes me wonder if he has been paying attention to anything. According to the International Energy Agency crude oil production peaked in 2006. Some put global Peak Coal (net energy if not tonnage) at around 2015. Even the Chinese concede a date for local Peak Coal around 2025. Fracking notwithstanding some put a date for global Peak Gas around 2040.

    The need to Decarbonise not just SA but the whole world applies regardless of AGW or the lights will go out.

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